I have two separate text documents on my computer filled with attempts at explaining my reaction to Jen’s post from yesterday. It’s important for me to respond to her even though I’ve been having some trouble finding all the words. She has spun a stimulating thread here. I have read and reread the insightful comments from our dedicated readers, and it is obvious that her words have inspired a wealth of thoughts and emotions about our roles as parents. How we foster independence in our children. How much or little we intervene with their choices. How accepting we are of their failures and flaws.
But I need to respond. To how these truths she has exposed relate to my own concepts of parenting and the control I have or don’t have, want or don’t want, over my own three children. I have to admit that I was caught up in the last few lines and, quite specifically, the word “behaviors.”
As a mother, it is not my job to control my children’s behaviors and choices. It’s my job to steer them in safe directions and let them make their own choices. And on the way to encourage them to take the paths that will make them realize their true worth. To themselves, to each other and to their peers.
After first reading this paragraph I laid in bed with my phone in hand pausing on its complexity. Was Jen saying that she doesn’t take responsibility for the behaviors and choices of her children? That there is only so much she can do and she is comfortable leaving the rest up to them? To figure it out? To know when they’ve made poor choices? To know when their behavior is unacceptable? To right their own wrongs?
I just couldn’t absorb it all in the moment. And I told Jen as such when my phone buzzed with an Instant Message.
“Reading?” she asked.
“Just read,” I wrote. “Trying to absorb.”
“Ah. Absorb.”
I tried to explain why I was having trouble grasping her post. I did a poor job, and only partially due to the fact that I was typing with my thumbs on my mobile device.
“Understand?” I asked.
“Not really,” she wrote.
I never ever get a “not really” from Jen. We click. We finish each others’ sentences. When we IM we hit enter to send the exact same words to each other at the exact same time. We call it “Same Brain.” It’s actually kind of freaky, especially since we are different in so many ways, but it’s a testament to the fact that our basic thoughts are flowing downstream together, and we often are in tune.
“I’ll respond tomorrow, OK? I’ll try to explain myself better.”
“K. Battery’s gonna die. G’night.”
“Night.“
I drifted to sleep pondering these questions. I asked myself what control I exert over my children, or think I do. I was still focusing on behaviors and not choices, though the two certainly go hand in hand. I was thinking about those times that my kids embarrass me with their behaviors. Thinking about the things I expect from them. To always respect, listen to, and respond to adults. To be courteous. To have good manners. To be compassionate. To keep their bodily sounds to themselves when we are out of the house. To show me they love me and each other by giving hugs, and giving kisses, and finding joy in the time spent together as a family.
But at what age can we really expect our kids to do all of this on their own? Are there age-appropriate markers for the levels of responsibility that they must take for their own lives and actions? I think so. But how do we figure out what they are? And how do we convey this to our kids so that they understand? How do we expect them to right their own wrongs when we have trouble with it ourselves from time to time?
The comments to Jen’s post helped me see past the connection to behavior alone. Helped me realize that I didn’t truly believe my original questions and assumptions. The comments helped me see that the real question for me is how much control we as parents are willing to learn to let go. And how we can come to accept that, in the end, we really don’t have much control anyway. If we push our kids in a direction they aren’t willing to go, they will push back. So we teach them what we feel they must know to make the decisions that we believe will bring them a happy, full life.
And the teaching never ends. I am still the child of my parents. One dead, one alive. And I am still learning from both of them. From the history of my father’s words and actions. From the presence of my mother’s thoughts and worries, laughter and sadness. My life has been shaped by who they were and are as individuals, their roles as parents, and their admittance that it wasn’t always a perfect kid they were raising. If they hadn’t let me fall down, I would never have gotten back up. And, I think, if they had had more control over my choices, I would be even more flawed than I am now. I have made many mistakes in my life. Mistakes that I am now able to see were exactly what they needed to be to bring me to who I am right now.
In this very moment.
The co-creator of a blog that is more than just a blog. For Jen and me it is a conversation that we don’t have the time to engage in in real time. Our conversations consist of 10-minute clips between dead zones on the drive to and from work. It is our only time alone with each other. We are otherwise surrounded by children, spouses or other shoppers at the grocery store. And our minds are generally scattering through all that needs immediate doing, and all that is on the list for the rest of the day, and tomorrow and even next month.
During our 10 minutes of quiet alone time on the phone we are always anticipating getting cut off, so we tend to stray from the more complex topics. Not always, but often. Instead we will start by talking about Momalom—certain comments we loved, our plans for next week, who’s day it is to post and what ideas are at half-mast just waiting to sprout. We sprinkle this with tidbits about the kids. Who’s sick. Who’s giving us the biggest headache these days. Who’s having trouble in school. Success at home. Vice versa. And then the connection gets fuzzy, and we both start swearing and we both say “Seriously? Already?” And it happens.every.day. Twice.
So it’s posts like this one of Jen’s that bring me back to the original reason for starting this blog together. That remind me that in this place we cannot get cut off. That connections can only grow stronger.
We are mothers. And we write. And we naturally deconstruct our lives. And we have come to a place—prompted by SIX kids and the very same realities that landed in both of our very different lives when we each welcomed our third child—where we need to make sense of all the thinking we do. Or maybe we need to have a place that deserves clear and focused thought, when so much of our daily lives is about getting through the present moment and anticipating the next.
These words today, like my mistakes, are nothing like what I planned. Nothing like the two documents that sit open and stare at me from the second monitor. I meant to say more about my own perspectives on developing a child’s sense of awareness, my own methods of building both self-esteem and humility. In short, I am a woman constantly wrestling with control. Over myself and over my children. Over their behaviors and their choices and over my own. I am not afraid to let my children stumble, fall or fail. I pass them my courage and watch them stand tall and firm again.
What I am most afraid of is the people they will become. And ultimately, this is something I cannot control. But if my own life is any indication, failure is reversible. Mistakes mean eventual success. And it is strength of character that gives us more esteem than most anything else. You can bet your ass my house is overflowing with character, personality and love. Lots and lots of love.
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I think there’s def. a balance to be struck between allowing them to make their own choices, and protecting/teaching them. And it’s *really* hard to maintain sometimes.
It’s hard to let my four year old out the door for K-4 in mismatched clothes, but I can comfort myself with the thought she’s exerting her independence, and hey, at least I made sure it was weather-appropriate!
Weather Appropriate. :) I know what you mean.
And also, I think I have another post which will clarify the specifics of my style of parenting such that my kids can literally eat ice cream for breakfast but I won’t let them go to school wearing ripped jeans. Sometimes I think my expectations of them are inconsistent and thus unfair. But then I step back and cut myself some slack – something I’ve been doing for them all their lives.
One thing’s for certain: parenting is hard, yo.
And yes, I did say “yo.” I am half hungover, half overly emotional, and half off my rocker today. Apparently.
Thanks for reading.
I’m glad that you spoke your perspective; it assures me that, while entirely different, my sister and I share a link (much like your and Jen’s, really) and next to nothing can change that.
Here’s to love!
No, Bre. There is a link. Nothing can change that. There is a bond. Nothing can change that. It can waver and break and be pieced back together. You two may think and act differently, judge one another, misunderstand one another, and feel altogether disconnected from time to time. But if there is love and there is respect, sisterhood can be nourished and grow strong. Grow through anything.
Imma gonna leave my own little comment here for anyone who actually gets this far.
I know this was a long post. I don’t like to do the long, long post thing. SO! Thank you for reading.
Can you believe that I cut out two-thirds of what I was going to write? Just imagine.
I can’t wait to see the other two-thirds!!
I believe this so firmly – have blogged about it ad nauseum. I am a lifelong control freak and you would think this part of letting go of the kids would be hard for me. But somehow, for me, with parenting, it has been instinctive. I really believe they are not mine – no way, no how – I am just here to shepherd them … and the challenge is separating my identity as a mother from their personalities as they emerge. There is little we can take credit for, ultimately, I think – just as there is little we ought to blame ourselves for. This was, for me, the huge insight of the Lenore Skenazy’s exellent Free Range Parenting book: that to really be free range, to let go of our kids, is to trust ourselves. Free range parenting may have come to mean walking alone to school etc but I think those acts are manifestations of a larger willingness to say: I trust you, and I trust myself.
It is about that damned raveling red string that Louise Erdrich so poetically describes.
Sigh.
Thank you for these words!
So I definitely need to read that book. And also? I think every comment on this post is going to much more clear than I was able to be in the nearly 1500 words I put down trying to capture a single thought that manifested as many thoughts. Thoughts that I am actually kind of sort of afraid of.
I do trust myself. I trust my kids. To be who they are. Who they want to be. And yet…
What is that? What is the “and yet” all about? That I am happy only if they become a certain type of kid? But that doesn’t make sense because I so wholly embrace their differences. I just worry, I think. And becoming a parent has finally made me see the worry of my own mother all these years.
Sigh, indeed.
“I really believe they are not mine – no way, no how – I am just here to shepherd them”–This is exactly how I feel about parenting!
It mirrors my belief about everything: I can’t control this world, I can only be in it, try to be present, try to bring my best self. I don’t always act from this place–I am often grasping and scared and attempting to control everything. But I know is it true.
And I am grateful for a spiritual path–Unitarian Universalism and Buddhist-influenced martial arts practice–that bashes me over the head with this truth on a regular basis. I am grateful for the reminder and the gentle redirection back to this orientation when I stray into neurotic control-freak mode.
For me, thinking of parenting as a spiritual journey–a process rather than a product–a state of being rather than a project that reflects upon worthiness–makes it possible to take this big view.
I firmly believe that parent is a verb. It’s something actively do, whether in words or actions. We set the example, we explain the dangers, we applaud the successes, and we support during the failures.
Often, we struggle with over-parenting — going too far, kissing every boo-boo, fiercely preventing all wrongs — and our children don’t build up their own arsenal of courage, bravery, and esteem. However, over-parenting isn’t the same as shaping or guiding. Some of us prefer to do that hands-on and some of us choose to step back a bit.
We are all doing it “right.” Our children will be their own brilliant selves because we learn along the way to adjust our parameters and move along the spectrum as necessary to give them the best of ourselves. That’s the best we can do.
Kelly,
I cut out an entire section of this post and started a new draft. It begins with a description of the part of our parenting in this house which is completely laissez faire. The stepping back that you discuss here.
One of the reasons that Jen’s post touched me so deeply, I think, is because I have always reflected on my parenting as laid back but with very specific intention. I’m not sure if that makes sense, but it’s all I’ve got at this point. My husband and I have great resolve about the things that are important to us and like all parents, we will not budge on those things. But with the onset of three children in this house things have changed drastically. The hierarchy of importance has shifted. If my kid goes to the store in his pajamas I’m not all too concerned. At least we GOT to the store. Of course, there is a completely different post in here too somewhere. Something along the lines of birth order. The freedom that the little boys get as compared to the rigors that my first born is still put through.
The thoughts still have not come together but the comments help me considerably. Jen’s post was, for me, one of those moments where you assess your own parenting – what you think it is, what you want it to be, what you hope it to be, and what it actually is.
All in all, I think that Dan and I are damn fine parents. Just last night – as I delivered my speech about why I would indeed have a fourth child – I said to him, “We have great kids. Really. Great. Kids. And while I know that a lot of it is nature, I also know that much of it is a testament to us as parents.” Just imagine all of that with a half-drunken slur. (I was training for the upcoming challenge.)
Wait until you get to the “inappropriate boyfriend” stage…. the impotence you feel now will pale in comparison. Once I realized that the number of people who have broken up a relationship and then were able to exist happily with the people who were broken up numbers exactly zero, I came to the conclusion that I could share my perspective (she always knew how I felt about him) but I couldn’t stop her from seeing him. But, because she had learned to fly under our protective wing, she came to her senses, dumped him (eventually) on her own and is now in a wonderful relationship with a guy we all love.
You can only set the foundation, the rest is character and circumstance and peers and, often, just plain luck.
It’s a VERY important conversation…. thanks to you both for the forum. Your readers are soooo wise…..
Ashleigh,
The inappropriate boyfriend stage….yikes! Seeing as we have all boys, only boys in my house I am crossing all my fingers and toes that I am able to teach my sons enough so they just won’t become “that guy.” Ew.
I’m glad that your daughter stepped back and saw what you did. Moved forward. And took the opportunity for what it was: an opportunity to grow and learn.
Your comment about peers is so correct. Just last night my husband and I were watching something on television and I actually categorized the behavior of the teenage actors as peer pressure. I have only just begun to see it in my own family, as my oldest is merely seven. But I shudder at the thought of the challenges ahead. On the one hand I know that we’ll be fine. All of us. Parents and children. But on the other hand I know that things will get a lot more tricky and sticky as the years march on.
And you are right. It IS a very important conversation. And Jen and I both agreed today on the phone during our ten minutes during the ride FROM work that we have more to write on all of this. Different aspects of this. The blog is our solution for a conversation that keeps giving back even when you have to turn away and do the dishes or run the bath.
I think we exert more control than we realize – but you may have a different definition than I do of that word.
Each child is different, and different with each parent, and true to his nature from the beginning (that we work with and may influence, but do not “control”). Each child will also change at different points and pace and in ways that are troublesome to themselves and to us as parents, and ways that astonish themselves and us.
We exercise influence – enormous influence, which then impacts their thought processes, the enormity (or narrowness) of their world, their capacity to grow into themselves and then grow beyond themselves as we guide and shape insofar as we can. In synch with who they are – because they show us. They give us clues in their words and their silences, in their behaviors and their necessary mistakes, and we shape them in what we do not do as much as what we do.
It is a context of influences – including the others we bring into their lives and trust to interact with them. They grow beyond us, early, and remarkably.
Yes, luck and circumstance play a huge role. But anyone who thinks that our parenting isn’t the single most significant factor to shape them for the future is – I believe – fooling himself or herself. Particularly in those early years. But even in adolescence, when they are most beyond our knowing or helping, they will still turn to us, and observe, listen, question, challenge, and take from us whatever we can give. Sometimes it’s stowed for the future. We have no guarantees – ever – that anything we are doing is “good” or “right” or the only way.
Cues. Clues. Each one unique. Our job to do the best we can leading from those aspects of self they own. It’s gentle pull – very gentle – not push. And the direction changes, constantly. And letting go is terrifying, and then you just hope that their journey will carry the seeds of all the good you’ve taught them. They own themselves. They do from the beginning. And we owe them the best route to leaving us, as painful as that is, for us.
Wolfie,
“I think we exert more control than we realize…”
This statement probably gets to the heart of why I was so perplexed with my confused reaction to Jen’s post. I did not deem myself a controlling mother. I do not hover. I do not run to scoop a boy up from the playground after a fall. I do not set up play dates religiously, and worry about my kids’ social agendas. I do not, as Kelly noted, do the over-parenting thing. I believe that kids are kids and should be kids. That I am the parent and this is my world. That my kids should enjoy childhood but learn to live in the greater world while doing it.
But then I started thinking about it all. I expect these certain things from my children. No matter what I think or do or say I am indeed controlling them in one way or another. Thing is, it is difficult for me to explain myself without using comparisons to other parents. I didn’t want to do that. If I give way to those easy judgments and comparisons, defining my own parenting style and feeling confident about it is so much easier.
Every bit of what you say is wonderful. I hang on every word. Influence, luck, circumstance. And cues, cues, cues.
I am such a young mother. Young in age. Young in parenting. Your perspective as the mother of teenage boys is so so welcome to me here. I often have no idea where I am going as a mother and what my next step is. And while I could be terrified by that, I know that I am not. Reading of your own experiences helps me to know that my confidence is not vain or naive, but acceptable and rather needed, I would think.
I am excited and terrified more by the physical letting go that will come when they one day leave this house. I’m not sure I will ever be prepared for the emptiness, even if I come to happily anticipate the freedom.
I love that your response is admittedly a work-in-progress, long, and did not go as planned. This is LIFE. We have so much to say, so many words, so many ideas, so many questions peppered with tiny half-answers. And yet, this post itself is wonderful, eloquent, grappling. I love that you are having a conversation, real and raw, with your sister before our very eyes. I love that you are continuing to get to know each other – and yourselves – on this screen. This is evolution. Evolution of a bond. Of a friendship. Of a partnership. Of love.
Brilliant stuff. (As always.)
Aidan,
While Jen has a post in the works about our phone conversations and the “Dead Zone” we are so often cursing out, I felt it was so important to mention that this post of hers was like a conversation that we could never finish on the phone, or even in person. One day I’m sure we will have the time to talk longer about what is so much bigger than we are. But right now, this is what we’ve got.
And yes, a work in progress. So very very clear to me after reading and rereading my post. As I told Jen today, she’s so much better than I am at breaking down the thoughts into small bits and pieces. At crafting her words clearly and consecutively. I jump around. Splashing in and out of thoughts and emotions.
I’m glad you found some meaning in it all. I still cannot quite pinpoint why the subject has me all kinds of emotional. But it does. Which tells me that I am on the right path in my own evolution of parenting. And? That Momalom is a place where I can begin to figure it all out and you beautiful people will not begrudge me for all of this “thinking out loud,” as it were.
This post is almost postmodern to me in the way you deconstruct your process for us. I love the insight into your cut-off phone conversations and the way in which you volley back and forth on the ideas – both big and small.
I also appreciate the distinction you draw between choices and behaviors. I know where you’re coming from. While I feel like I can’t really control either, I have a greater interest in managing the behaviors (especially because I have two wee ones) – and wonder if helping shape positive behaviors might actually allow kids more freedom to make independent choices in the long run.
Another wonderful post. Thanks, Sarah.
Kristen! You get an exclamation point. Here, here’s another one!
Thank you. Oh Thank you thank you thank you.
“[I] wonder if helping shape positive behaviors might actually allow kids more freedom (to make independent choices) in the long run.”
This is a huge, enormous, overwhelming component to my reasons for trying to control the behaviors. Because not only does a control over one’s behaviors and reactions in life expand their own freedom, but it also expands the freedom of all those that they come in contact with. And, most obviously, the family members that they live with. We all affect one another in this house. If one of us is acting inappropriately or just plain pissy, it brings the mood down, it limits our communication, or opportunities, our ability to have fun, be relaxed, and enjoy one another. And this is not exclusive to our home lives, it carries through to all other areas and environments we are a part of.
Thank you.
And you know what I’m thinking right now? “Gosh, I’m not crazy after all. And I wish I had come to this realization before I hit publish.”
But you see, my mind was so so so clouded with so so so many different thoughts that I was having a hard time coming to any conclusions at all. The comments on Jen’s post from yesterday raised so many different topics that were woven into the one she wrote about.
Safe to say there is more to be said. :)
The two of you have me thinking and thinking.
My boys are still very young, and I don’t know much….I’m just trying to find the balance and it’s so hard. As time goes by I lean more toward natural consequences and I hope and hope that the unconditional love they get from their Dad and I will pull them through.
There are just so many layers to this…so yeah, thinking and thinking.
Heather.
Yeah.
Right there with you.
Thinking and thinking and thinking.
But I had to try and try to get something out.
And this is what came.
Today.
But maybe something different tomorrow.
Yes on natural consequences and unconditional love. Yes on layers and the intricacies of parenting being so tightly woven together that is hard to make sense of one thing without opening the door to so much more.
Yes.
I have so much I want to say, but the lateness of the hour tells me I should go to bed. That, and the baby screaming. Colic. Ugh. I will be sending you an e-mail soon covering what I want to say.
Ambrosia,
No worries. I totally understand. In every way. Hope you got some rest last night. I stayed up much to late and am fighting the urge to leave a bucket of ice cream in the kitchen with three spoons and crawl back to bed.
I’m sure it would keep them quiet for a little while, right?
Sarah – I so can relate, as much as I did with Jen, to your post. I just have to dig back to those days. Right now, I am doing less parenting and more influencing to be sure when #6 leaves the nest in two years, he is ready to do so on his own.
My problems lie in seeing what other parents, the ones who choose everything for their teenagers, do. I know we all parent differently but my way, even though it is not your way, is not bad. Your way, even though it is not my choice, is not bad. Parents of older children tend to take offense, at least in my experience, when anyone questions what they are doing.
Is it necessary for a parent to call college admission office to see where the application process is for his/her child? No. If there are questions, this is a perfect time for the soon-to-be college student to call and interact with an adult as an “almost” adult.
Is it necessary for everyone to get a play part or be on the starting team? No. At some point in time, children – whether 12 or 22 – need to realize that not everyone is fit to be the lead in the play or the best rower or soccer player.
When children do not learn these lessons while growing up in a supportive home, they learn them as they enter the “real world.” Problem here is that the real world is not going to help them pick up the pieces, find the “lesson” in the crushing, and teach them how to pick themselves back up.
I am not even sure, as I read back over this, if it is a response at all or a blog post for somewhere else. My mind is bouncing around with thoughts on this and most usually get me in trouble. LOL!
Nicki-
I completely agree that children need to realize early on that they aren’t going to be great at everything they try. And it is our job to help them find what it is they ARE great at and pursue it. However large or small that is.
I think that much of it comes down to truth and honesty. Are we honest to our kids? Are we able to give them the truth? Do we trust that they can handle it? Because they can. They take our cues from us. They will only be crushed by something if we give them reason to think that they should be.
Then again, I am so very new to this game. I know it will get more complicated. I know I will fail along the way as much as my kids will. I’m okay with that! I’m okay with learning. As long I as remember to remain adaptable. I expect it out of my kids, and I have to give that to myself as well.
I tried to comment last night, but my brain had turned into pudding. But. You know what I carried away from this post? Sisters. And how they somehow resonate inside us and make us better. Better sisters. Better mothers. Just better. (Not that you’re not good enough to begin with because you’re amazing… but you know what I mean. Right?)
God, my mother hovered. She tried to bail me out of every difficult situation I faced, slap a band aid on every wound I received. She feared any and all pain or struggle that might possibly come my way. And what did this turn me into? A girl completely unable to believe that she could save herself. Afraid to fall on her ass or make one single mistake, because obviously mistakes were hideous things–irreversible.
A girl who was a coward. Who didn’t even try at things, because if you try, you can fail.
It is a struggle for me not to have that knee-jerk protective reaction with my girls. It feels like home to me. But it’s a rotten home, and it will make my girls helpless and weak.
I want my girls to fail and learn that they are stronger than they think. I think the biggest gift I can give them is the confidence to listen to themselves; to trust their instincts. And if that instinct happens to be wrong, I hope they’re resilient enough to shake off the dust and jump back into the fray.
But it’s hard to stand by, watching, wringing my hands.
“The comments helped me see that the real question for me is how much control we as parents are willing to learn to let go. And how we can come to accept that, in the end, we really don’t have much control anyway. If we push our kids in a direction they aren’t willing to go, they will push back.”
can i tell you how much i love you? THIS IS WHAT I WANT FROM MY CHILDREN. i WANT my children to push back and say, NO mom, *I* will do it. maybe not quite as much as they do it as young as they are right now, but still. when they are teenagers, the independence that i have pushed for their whole lives will serve them well. i don’t want followers. i want kids who will be unafraid to run against the herd.
one of the criticisms that i received from my SIL was that i “let my kids do everything on their own.” damn rights i do. from teaching them to brush their own teeth to letting them climb way too high to hammering home, to my son, the point that his coat and mitts and backpack are his own responsibilities, i AM forcing him to do things on his own. i stand in the background ready to pick up the pieces but i am not breaking the fall.
choices = consequences. if my kids only ever learn one thing, i want it to be that.
of course, most of the time i really want to break his will to me just a wee bit, too. just to make life a lot easier on me.
My sister in law’s only criticism has been that we are not smart enough to raise our brilliant children, and also we don’t post enough photos fo Facebook.
I think we might be raising the best generation in a very long time.
“How do we expect them to right their own wrongs when we have trouble with it ourselves from time to time?”
One day, your babies are going to call you. It’s going to be not long after they have their own babies. The conversation is going to be short:
“Momalom?”
“Yes, my love?”
“I am soooo sorry…I don’t know how you did, and I am soooooo sorry! I love you soo much!”
“I love you, too!”
“Okay, bye!”
All we can expect is that one day our little mini-me’s will realize that we are only human and we did the best we could, and so they need to always do the best they can do.